00:00:06 Today it is easy to say that
or that should have been done
differently. I've said it many times,
00:00:13 I will say it again.
Well, the Soviet army did
not leave until June 1991.
00:00:23 They also said that they wouldn’t,
even in the spring of 1991,
00:00:30 clearly emphasised,
and even threatened us,
that they would not leave.
00:00:40 Foreign Minister Kvicinsky
said that harshly. Jazov and Besmercny,
sitting in my room,
00:00:48 were more delicately articulated.
It was going been on continuously.
00:00:54 So it wasn't that simple.
The same is true for the dissolution of Comecon.
00:01:01 We were alone in this, and we
were the only ones who wanted it.
00:01:08 And when the Visegrád
meeting was here, even then,
Havel and the Czechoslovak delegation
00:01:14 didn't want the dissolution of
Comecon without a successor organization.
00:01:20 I went up before the
Visegrád Treaty was signed,
and I convinced Valentina separately
00:01:26 and the Czechs the next morning with
her. I can also say that when
00:01:33 we were in Moscow in June '90,
at breakfast we tried to convince
00:01:40 the Poles that they should leave
the Warsaw Treaty with us. Havel
00:01:48 said he'd support us for a while,
but the Secretary of State then came up
to us to say it is no longer true.
00:01:58 But Maiziere said there's
no way they're risking the
00:02:04 German unity by saying it.
And indeed, no matter how incredible this sounds
00:02:11 - when the Foreign Ministers
met at nine o'clock,
00:02:16 they met after breakfast, our
Secretary of State came back
(it was not the minister who was in Paris representing us)
00:02:22 from the Foreign Minister's meeting
00:02:29 and he said that neither Shevardnadze
00:02:34 nor the others had contributed
to the presentation of a draft
00:02:39 for the revision and dissolution
of the Warsaw Pact.
00:02:45 We Hungarians had a draft
but the Soviet draft was approved by the good
00:02:50 foreign ministers, and the Hungarian draft wasn’t
– it was there in front of me.
00:02:56 And it was indeed so that this
particular meeting was intended to
00:03:02 be formal, and it was exceptional
a special sign of historical
00:03:08 fate that I presided over the last political
meeting of the Warsaw Treaty
00:03:15 and as President I began to
read the unaccepted Hungarian text.
00:03:22 And that's when everyone got stiff.
00:03:28 I thought I'd admit I
was wrong at the worst
00:03:33 but I'm going to put this forward,
the atmosphere got pretty stiff
00:03:39 and then Gorbachev said
’Haraso’, I don't know whether
00:03:46 they understood or misunderstood
what was going on or didn't
risk it to be a scandal
00:03:54 anyway Gorbachev said yes,
and from then on
00:04:00 everyone was enthusiastic,
including the Poles and Havel.
00:04:07 That day we were still
negotiating with the Russians,
the next day we went with Lajos Für
00:04:15 only for military negotiations
in the Kremlin - probably several
centuries’ tested techique
00:04:21 that we were taken down in a narrow
corridor - and our own security
00:04:26 people were already separated.
We went down a long, narrow corridor,
we said to each other,
00:04:32 "Do you think we are going to end up
in Siberia?" I'm only telling
you this because of the atmosphere.
00:04:41 ’We cannot change our fate now’ we agreed
on the way we were strolling and then they
00:04:46 took us to a whole little door.
There must have been a lot
00:04:52 of Tartar Khans and such others going
through that Kremlin back door.
00:04:56 We thought it was some small room,
- I'm telling you because maybe
00:05:02 we will still need these
experiences - a small door,
a small door like this,
00:05:08 they'd take us, they'd open the door,
we wouldn't know where we were
00:05:13 going to step through the small door,
and then we'd go to a big room
00:05:18 full of giant chandeliers. It was
part of the psychological operation
00:05:22 and that's when we had a deal.
The soldiers weren't too keen on us.
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